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Post by Mickey Mouse on Oct 4, 2019 20:38:20 GMT -5
Dog with a Blog can use this thread to question all of the finalists.
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Post by Dog with a Blog on Oct 4, 2019 22:13:18 GMT -5
This game has been about challenges, and money. I'd like to know which of the challenges you did actually spend money on avoiding.
And who out of the others you're competing with to earn jury votes would you like to see go through with you?
I might get to responding to stuff about the speeches soon, but they're making me sad with how close I would have been to progressing had I paid up for that last challenge.
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Reepicheep
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 4, 2019 22:44:56 GMT -5
I paid up twice, first to avoid the challenge in the Gems round so that I wouldn't go home before I had distributed them (which was very much an excuse but it was one I allowed myself, since I didn't use any of anyone else's share for it), and then secondly to avoid the 'Create something' challenge which I believed there to be a mass boycott of. I actually still created a submission for that challenge and posted it in my confessional (and I hope it was judged), but I paid up to make sure the judgement wouldn't eliminate me.
Out of the other three here, I'd most like to see Naveen make it through. I worked with both him and Queen closely through much of the game, but at the end of the day, I'd want to team with Pua/Edward if I made it through and I think Naveen is far less of a threat than Queen in challenges. However, I'm pretty sure that if I do manage to get the votes to get through, the person who goes through with me will be Sorsha because that's how the votes would work out.
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Post by Dog with a Blog on Oct 5, 2019 1:08:23 GMT -5
Back for more personal questions based on information you've provided in your opening speeches, because it's unlikely my generic ones will change my mind from the two clearly superior opening speeches, and as I can't find anything in those to ask at the moment about them, let's move to the other two.
Naveen, you claim you played a perfect under the radar game, why therefore did you feel you had to spend the $2,700 nullifying votes in the final lay-off vote? I'm looking through my chats, and can only find one chat where you were "personable", why did you neglect team chats?
Reep, you've pretty much lost the chance of receiving my vote after you went public in the final lay-off thread. I think you already know from the 60% rich bitch chat how things were likely to go down if you were at this stage of the game. I can't really argue with how you actually performed your actions from within the rich bitch chat, as both of the Z&C and Pepe eliminations we ended up being reliant on you as the voice in the outside world. You entered that chat with a different mindset to the rest of us, in that you went public, and then spent bigger on the voting chats, which I think was the actual downfall of that group. You might have put all your eggs into the winning that challenge basket, but the rest of us were potentially at fault for trying to cruise on that rich chat. I'd like to know of what your other alliances were in the game, and how they helped you reach this point of the game. Why did they also crumble when the rich bitches fell?
I'll find things to ask the other two if there are suitable reasons for potentially voting someone else in instead.
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Post by Sorsha on Oct 5, 2019 2:08:22 GMT -5
So I paid up on a lot of challenges. I think there's only a handful I didn't pay up on since round 4. I know very well what kind of challenges I can and can't do, so if there was a challenge that I felt likely I was going to do badly in, I paid up. That's part of how the game is designed, so I used that mechanic quite a lot. I'm not ashamed of it, it's part of what kept me here in this game. I only gambled with my own elimination when I had to or I was very sure the odds were in my favor. I did well enough in the cash grab challenges regularly, that I could afford to do that without completely draining my bank.
I stand by what I said in Nick's thread, I think Queen has done an incredible job throughout this game, and even though we weren't super aligned, I would love to have her here at the end of the game with me. Whether she's on the same team with me or I am playing against her doesn't matter, she will make the end challenge much more fun and enjoyable just because she's there and that's the kind of presence I've felt she's brought to the game. And that's what this game is for me. Win or lose, it should still be a positive enjoyable experience that people want to remember and fondly talk about for a long time.
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 5, 2019 5:05:28 GMT -5
I'm a little confused about how me going public in the last thread was wrong in your eyes? I know I'm not supposed to be asking questions, but I'd like some clarification on that if you'd give it.
At that point of the game, I was in a 2-player vote chat with Air Bud and I had the $500 one with Naveen. Outside of that, Trebek/Sorsha/Megara were in one together, and I knew they were voting Air Bud, so it all came down to the Pua/Naveen/Edward/Queen chat. I'd been coding to Pua over the round and knew they were leaning toward voting Bud, so Bud and I talked about a public appeal and he went for it - I backed him up because I thought that it would hold more weight if someone was publicly backing him, and he hadn't actually pitched a case *against* anyone and I thought it needed that to have any chance of working.
Sorry for the deviation, will get around to your actual question now
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 5, 2019 5:46:49 GMT -5
I had 3 major alliances outside of Rich Chat + Air Bud (and they were all alliances I wanted to go further with than RC):
Pua/Edward/Nick - this was my main alliance. We were all in the Round 1 Random Chat together, then I had a 1-on-1 with Pua immediately afterwards that locked us in as #1 allies until the end. We met up in 1-on-1s 4 times over the course of the game and would create a pretty intricate code over that time that was the main one I used, and I'd fill him in on all my codes so he'd be in the loop as well. Edward and I met up a lot in the early game (I think 5 times in the first 3 rounds) and locked in the three with Pua, and Nick was more Pua's ally than mine but we worked together pretty closely through Pua throughout.
Megara/Pixar Lamp/Naveen - this one formed in our Decrypto Encryptors chat in Round 3 and was a solid alliance for most of the game. Pixar Lamp shared some codes he'd made before and we made a new one, and although we didn't use it all that much, the remaining 3 of us worked together for most of the game.
Yzma/Buzzy/Zack and Cody - the story behind this one was amusing; Naveen coded that I was in danger (although thankfully I won the immunity challenge so it wasn't an immediate concern) so I identified that the most likely place my name would have originated was the enemy encryptor chat, since that was the only place a small group could freely talk, and three of them hadn't met me. So I got those 3 and trapped them in chats with me for 2 rounds (3 in Yzma's case) so they couldn't coordinate any kind of hit on me - and it ended up forming a pretty solid alliance with more code systems (and some codes from earlier in the game being revealed to me). Unfortunately, only myself and Z&C were left from this one at jury phase - there is a story behind how that broke down too but I'll cover it in Zack's thread.
I also had a lot of less permanent alliances that came and went with the chats I made. The last person I considered a person I was allied with was Queen, but we never had a code and barely met over the course of the game, I just sent her occasional cash injection to show I still wanted to stick with her.
As for why they crumbled - I don't think crumbled is really the right word. I found myself far less in charge of them over the last two rounds than I had been for the rest of the game. I think there were 3 big reasons for this:
A) the reasoning I'd used to take out RC members was that they were in RC, so once I tried to switch that up and stop targeting RC players, other people were so invested in that idea that they essentially said no and carried on going for it.
B) Pua seriously stepped up his game in those last couple of rounds to push through the result he wanted, and since he had access to a lot of my codes it was very difficult to make anything happen that he didn't want to happen (which hadn't been a problem before, but we had some serious disagreements over those last two rounds)
C) I kept getting bought into tiny chats with players I was allied with. I'm still not 100% certain why Nick and Bud bid so much on pulling me into chats when I was already working with them, but a huge part of my being able to make moves earlier in the game was by buying chats that *didn't* include my closest allies so that I could establish a voting base and then send that vote out to people I was working with. The chats in those last two rounds were basically useless in terms of actually influencing the vote.
I think theres some potential I could have survived without negating votes based on these alliances, but I knew I'd be a target (probably the biggest target) and I wasnt willing to take that risk.
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Post by Prince Naveen on Oct 5, 2019 7:04:30 GMT -5
This game has been about challenges, and money. I'd like to know which of the challenges you did actually spend money on avoiding. And who out of the others you're competing with to earn jury votes would you like to see go through with you? I might get to responding to stuff about the speeches soon, but they're making me sad with how close I would have been to progressing had I paid up for that last challenge. Disney Lyrics and morse code weren't practical for me to compete in due to time restraints. The first flash game challenge is the only one I actively chose to avoid. I miiight have also paid to avoid Disney lyrics to due a lack of knowledge of Disney songs. Overall though I came here to play challenges, and single player challenges are very much my strength, so I competed as much as I could.
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Post by Dog with a Blog on Oct 5, 2019 10:37:39 GMT -5
I'm a little confused about how me going public in the last thread was wrong in your eyes? I know I'm not supposed to be asking questions, but I'd like some clarification on that if you'd give it. Obviously I wasn't aware of the chat size for the final round, but seeing it go public when I knew you were probably the person with the most code knowledge in the game, it just didn't seem right to be that you'd just take it public like that. I didn't like Pepe's shout out directed at you during his elimination round either, but that was an emotional round. Like I know you had been aiming to go me, Air Bud & yourself for the final challenge (or at least you claimed as such), and it sort of just felt like some sort of appeal to the jury rather than anything else. Which probably has just come across wrongly to me as I'd started subtly pushing Air Bud as the biggest threat before I was eliminated myself. (which may have then caused my elimination as I went aiming for a most money slot myself). Your list of alliances helps me reconsider stuff a bit better though, as I had you down as a whatever gets me to the end player. Because really you played a masterful game of playing both sides, but I just haven't seen evidence of it through your actions during this meeting.
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Post by Prince Naveen on Oct 5, 2019 10:44:50 GMT -5
This game has been about challenges, and money. I'd like to know which of the challenges you did actually spend money on avoiding. And who out of the others you're competing with to earn jury votes would you like to see go through with you? I might get to responding to stuff about the speeches soon, but they're making me sad with how close I would have been to progressing had I paid up for that last challenge. Cheep played arguably the strongest game in terms of appealing to a jury, and is also the person i'm closest to here. Sorry for not responding to that half, I was v tired when answering lmao
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 5, 2019 21:59:24 GMT -5
Hello Mr. With a Blog!
This is difficult to answer specifically because those threads are all closed. Still looking over my bank statements, I paid up in the following rounds:
2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 11.
Either round 1 or 3 I won immunity, which I figured was good enough to show that I can do a challenge. Afterwards I figured I wasn't going to win the money part of this game, so there was no point to risking elimination in the challenges. For personal reasons it's been a challenging month or so, so I was happy to use the game mechanic to just pass over stressful risks. I was planning on paying my way to the end, but I ran out of cash in round 10, which is the other immunity I was able to win, if I recall correctly.
As I mentioned in one of the other threads, I believe Sorsha deserves jury votes the most. She survived being targeted from the get-go and managed to get this far. That is the tenacity I am into.
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 6, 2019 9:44:58 GMT -5
I'm a little confused about how me going public in the last thread was wrong in your eyes? I know I'm not supposed to be asking questions, but I'd like some clarification on that if you'd give it. Obviously I wasn't aware of the chat size for the final round, but seeing it go public when I knew you were probably the person with the most code knowledge in the game, it just didn't seem right to be that you'd just take it public like that. I didn't like Pepe's shout out directed at you during his elimination round either, but that was an emotional round. Like I know you had been aiming to go me, Air Bud & yourself for the final challenge (or at least you claimed as such), and it sort of just felt like some sort of appeal to the jury rather than anything else. Which probably has just come across wrongly to me as I'd started subtly pushing Air Bud as the biggest threat before I was eliminated myself. (which may have then caused my elimination as I went aiming for a most money slot myself). Your list of alliances helps me reconsider stuff a bit better though, as I had you down as a whatever gets me to the end player. Because really you played a masterful game of playing both sides, but I just haven't seen evidence of it through your actions during this meeting.
So with the code situation, they got less and less useful as the game went on. I had a large amount of codes and they were effective for pushing names when there was little opposition (i.e. everything up to the Z&C vote), but when my allies started wanting to go other ways I ran into a roadblock in that my codes were not designed to give reasoning. My code with Air Bud and my code with Pua were the only ones that allowed for stating (and discussion of) why I wanted the vote I did, and the Pua one was fairly limited in that regard (we used character count and punctuation to tell one another the state of the chats, preferred chats to bid on, what votes we were hearing, what votes we preferred, and reasoning for that, and there's only so much you can stuff into a code before it gets difficult to work the sentences around). I think the large chats were far better for coordination than my codes were, which was why getting pulled into two tiny ones with allies (especially with Air Bud in the last round, because he was a player I actually did have a useful code with) was so problematic at the end. I can't guarantee I'd have gotten my way if I'd been in larger chats but I think I would have been much more likely to.
The main reason I went public was just that I felt it would carry more weight, though. It didn't work, but I do stand by my assertion that Air Bud needed someone backing him up there with an actual target stated. It actually probably worked better for him that way - he didn't have to take the hit of outright having to argue with someone and seeming unlikeable, that could be done by someone who essentially already had immunity and didn't need to worry about that.
I think my gameplay can be criticised in a lot of ways, but 'whatever gets me to the end' is not one of them. If it had been, I would have stuck with Rich Chat and just gone with the easy route of controlling votes through that. I made an effort to drive most of the votes in the game specifically to give myself the best endgame possible, especially in the Z&C and Pepe votes - it didn't result in the endgame I wanted, but that was a result of me misjudging the effects of my moves, not the result of me not making moves at all.
I should say, I did think the jury would have already discussed my game itself (and since Ralph and Nick were there, would've gotten at least a bit of both sides) which is why I didn't really cover it in my opening or since. I guess you guys didn't? I am more than happy to answer questions about it but in summary:
- I either threw out the name that got eliminated or heavily pushed the name through code/chats in every single round up until the Z&C one, with the exception of Sphero (who was in my Phase III chat and who I would have preferred hadn't died, but Pua signalled to me that the vote already had majority, so I ended up just getting my own chat to vote Trebek there in the hope that there would be some kind of split and we might snipe him off), and Rapunzel (iirc I was pushing a Sorsha vote that round but there was just so much momentum built up against Rapunzel at that point I couldn't flip it).
- In the round I was buying into RC, I told everyone in my chat (including Zack & Cody, actually, so I was surprised that none of you knew when I mentioned it a few rounds later) that I was going for it. I continued telling people I was in RC, but not who else was in it - I was the inlet into what RC was thinking for all of those people, and if they had taken me out, it would go back to being a mysterious behind-the-scenes force that they had no inroad with. I believe this did actually help both with making people more willing to go with whatever I said, and making them happier to keep me around (despite the fact I'd been labelled a challenge threat by then).
- In the Z&C vote, I saw the opportunity to make a move in my Phase III chat (Air Bud/Trebek/Queen of Hearts/Ralph) and came out of the blue with the Z&C vote. I do want to emphasise that because I have seen other players here try to claim that as their move - regardless of whether it was a bad move or not, it was mine. I pitched the Z&C vote with the following message while everyone else was talking about Sorsha:
"On another note, I have a significantly more worrisome message for all of you. It is one that could land me in serious trouble if others knew I was talking about it, so no matter what, this must stay in this chat and this chat alone.
As I believe most of you know, I have access to the Rich chat that required a generous amount of $3500 to get into. Not a lot of other players paid the amount, but one who did was the duo of Zack and Cody. They are using that chat to pull strings and make the votes go the way they want. They are also using it to brag about doing some fairly distasteful things, such as pushing people to pay up for the Kickstarter while rigging it to ensure it would fail, and pushing the button way back in round 2. They also pushed for all the jewels to be given to them in Round 6 so that they could distribute them evenly, which given what I now know I believe would have resulted in them trying to find a way to keep the vast majority (or all) of them.
I swore to not reveal who else was in that chat to people, so I am not going to name any other person in it, but I felt that keeping this particular information to myself was not befitting of a Knight of Narnia. However, the other players in said chat appear to be fully on board with their dastardly plans, and as I am unsure whether they are doing so because they do not want to go against him in that chat, or whether they are actually in Zack's pocket, I would please ask that regardless of how much you trust anybody outside of this chat, you do not mention this to them."
I specifically left open a route to work with RC by not mentioning anyone else in it - and again, since everyone knew I was in RC already I think they would have continued to use me as an information source had I stuck with it rather than targeting me for it. My big mistake was not using that to work more with RC instead of turning on Pepe/Doof the following round. In any case, I signalled Pua and Megara/Naveen, who passed it on to their respective chats (Pua/Edward/Nick + Megara/Naveen) for an easy majority. I spent a *lot* on pulling Air Bud into a chat with me after that, because I knew he wasn't entirely on board with it and I needed to talk to him about the whole situation - it was initially for damage control but it evolved into him becoming one of my closest allies in the endgame.
- The following round, I paid for a 3-way chat with Pua/Edward, talked through the whole situation with them including the identities of everybody in RC, and about making a move against Doof/Pepe. I spent $1001 on the largest chat while one of the others (I think Pua) spent a large amount on the second largest specifically with the intention of splitting off RC from everyone as much as possible, and splitting off RC's main allies (Bud/Sorsha) from the main chat so there wouldn't be any pushback against it there. I then pitched the case to everyone in my chat that we take out Pepe because RC would have far too much control over the vote otherwise, and once we were sure the support was there for it, Pua passed the message to his chat and I signalled Air Bud to confirm Pua was telling the truth.
Dog spotted the message and passed it on to Pepe, and we had a bit of awkward time in RC, but the vote did end up going through anyway.
- I actually tried to spend a fair amount on chats containing people who weren't my allies so I could go after Sorsha/Trebek over the last two rounds (over $400) but both times I got outbid (by Nick and Bud respectively) and pulled into tiny chats with my allies. I think I've spoken about the rest.
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