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Post by Mickey Mouse on Oct 4, 2019 20:37:24 GMT -5
Pepe the King Prawn can use this thread to question all of the finalists.
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 4, 2019 20:39:40 GMT -5
Hey everyone! Congrats on making it this far! I'm going to be busy for a bit and typed this out a few hours ago before reading your intro posts so I could just copy paste this in lol. Really my only question is for Queen. SORSHA! I'm so glad you survived to the end. I think it's fair to say you had a rough start receiving a vote the very first round. This game was weird where everyone who received an early vote became an "easy target" and I actually voted for you at least once because of that reason. A lot of players died because of this. Yet you managed to survive, and it wasn't because you floated under the radar. I think you were up for target every time. It isn't just a coincidence you survived this long, using your tools you had at your disposal and I do think you were the scrappy underdog. It is my pleasure to give you one of my votes. Hello my Queen. My other vote is currently on the Prince. If you can convince me your stab of me was necessary for your game, I'll switch my vote to you. I basically know nothing about you, which in hindsight is kind of sad because we were in the very first challenge together. I guess we just never clicked. I don't really have anything to ask from you, but if you impress me here somehow you'll increase your chances of keeping my vote from switching over to Queen. I'm not mad anymore. Just flabberghasted. I can't speak for everyone, but it seems like all 4 rich bitches aren't too happy with you. I just don't understand. There were 3 ways to get to the end, money - challenge - jury. You put all your eggs in one basket by playing in a way that tanked your chance to have money or happy jury members. And the advantage in the challenge you were going for was obviously not even that much of an increase in win equity. (and it never was going to be) And if you just stuck with playing a non-backstabby game you'd easily have a good shot at the money route and jury route. The chances of me voting for you are almost zero anyway, so it's up to you how much effort you want to put explaining yourself. You might be better off going for the 3 non rich bitch votes and hoping the rest of the second votes balance out. (in a 7-3-2-2 split?)
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 4, 2019 20:53:02 GMT -5
Hello Pepe the King Prawn. As I mentioned in my opening speech, you were really the only vote that I found challenging. It is an extreme shame that you ended up being opposite of Reepicheep in that round, because Reep, Meg, and Ralph were really the only three I was dead set on keeping around by that point. Ralph and Meg for the longstanding alliance I had with the two of them, and Reep because he had kinda burned all his bridges in defecting away from the Rich chat. Plus over the course of the game he donated a couple times to me, totaling $1,000 extra that I had to spend and work with. That was especially helpful given that I paid a lot to be safe the round I went after Zack and Cody and had to pay through a seres of challenges that I was not confident I could win safety in.
While it is a little cold and I am genuinely sorry for that, I do believe that stabbing you at that point was more correct than stabbing Reepicheep. I had felt at that point fairly confident that Reepicheep would continue siding my way, and would at the very least soak up a lot of heat as a target in the coming rounds. He was the more overtly wealthy, overtly challenge-oriented, and had a lot of blood on his hands. Additionally Meg was a lot keener to keep him around, it seemed, and she was the very last person I was willing to burn my good will with. I mean it sincerely that I would have loved just about any other vote that round, but it ended up putting my allies and me in a fairly secure position to pick off the remaining players that could have developed into jury threats.
(This is the obligatory "I hope we can talk in the post game," but like genuine 'cause you seemed pretty nice. I completely understand whichever way you choose to vote, but please know that my betrayal was never personal and the only difficult vote I made)
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Sorsha
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Post by Sorsha on Oct 4, 2019 20:59:35 GMT -5
Pepe I've missed you! Thank you for your kind words and your advice before you left, it was incredibly helpful.
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 4, 2019 21:01:02 GMT -5
So you decided to vote whoever reep told you to essentially?
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 4, 2019 21:05:24 GMT -5
You're framing it like it was me vs. him. I wasn't even pushing for a reep vote that round because I thought he was an ally.
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Reepicheep
Eliminated, But Red
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 4, 2019 21:12:12 GMT -5
I'm glad you're not still mad, although you have every right to be and I'm not going to argue with that. I burned a lot of bridges in the way I got here and none moreso than with you.
I can put effort into explaining myself if you want me to, but equally if you'd prefer to use this thread to question the others, I can stay out of it. As I said in the opening speech, I still want your vote, but only if there's a chance you feel that you'd actually give it to me. If you can't justify it after what happened in the game, I understand that and I'll stay out of your way if you want me to.
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 4, 2019 21:17:08 GMT -5
Not quite. I voted whoever Meg or Wreck-It-Ralph communicated to me as their preferred target, and in return I communicated my preferences to them when I had someone I wanted to after. We had a code from the very beginning that we used to communicate this information between each other. It wasn't exactly the most subtle code, but it's what we had.
I get the vibe that don't you want an insincere apology from me, so I will not downplay the fact that this was very good for my game. However I do not want it mistaken that I was a tool for Reepicheep to use at his leisure. For instance in the last round he basically made a public post begging that I and others vote out Alex Trebek rather than Air Bud, which I disregarded as unhelpful to my game as well. I assume this is part of why he made his speech acknowledging that betraying the rich chat was arguably a mistake.
In the round you went out, Meg, Ralph, and I were also in a group with Reep where he made his appeal. He was happy with any of you, Sorsha, Air Bud, or Dog with a Blog going. It was Ralph who suggested your name, which Meg and Trebek seconded. These were my two closest allies and at that point it is either Pepe going, or I need to somehow flip them against Reepicheep for no real mutual benefit. That's why it developed into you versus him.
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 4, 2019 21:17:37 GMT -5
Oh no I got ninja'ed. That was obv directed at Pepe.
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 4, 2019 23:45:29 GMT -5
Ok, I actually read the opening speeches finally. Naveen, you could have made this such an easy vote for me if you gave me SOMETHING! ANYTHING! in your opening speech. Your speech was literally "I played the same game everyone played but to such an underwhelming degree people basically forgot I was in the game" I actually did forget you were in the game several times. I'm sure you're an interesting person in real life, but you need to give me some spark of personality here. lol. I said the chances you get my vote were almost zero. Not exactly zero. FWIW you seem to genuinely think what you did was a mistake and a terrible move, and you admitting that is enough to personally give me closure on that issue so thank you. How accurate is the following on a scale of 1 to 10: There was a chat with 5 of the more dominant players in the game, and they agreed to work together. It seemed a given they'd all make the end. But a little mouse thought it would be boring, and without thinking it through, he mainly just wanted to pull off a big move for the hell of it and because it would be fun and more interesting for the specs.What was the power dynamic in the Ralph/Meg/Queen trio? Did this alliance play a part in getting Meg a load of money at the end? How often did you get your way with them? Who the heck is your character? I have no idea where she's from. I even googled Sorsha Disney and found disney.fandom.com/wiki/Sorsha_DoyleWhy'd you pick the character you did lol.
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Sorsha
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Post by Sorsha on Oct 5, 2019 0:26:17 GMT -5
Lol, Sorsha is from the movie Willow. All my character choices were from franchises Disney picked up over the years but didn't originally make. I also had Kevin from Home Alone and Ellen Ripley from Alien. I just wanted characters that were technically Disney from things I'd seen and liked. willowufgood.fandom.com/wiki/Sorsha
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Reepicheep
Eliminated, But Red
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 5, 2019 4:51:39 GMT -5
I said the chances you get my vote were almost zero. Not exactly zero. FWIW you seem to genuinely think what you did was a mistake and a terrible move, and you admitting that is enough to personally give me closure on that issue so thank you. How accurate is the following on a scale of 1 to 10: There was a chat with 5 of the more dominant players in the game, and they agreed to work together. It seemed a given they'd all make the end. But a little mouse thought it would be boring, and without thinking it through, he mainly just wanted to pull off a big move for the hell of it and because it would be fun and more interesting for the specs.I'm going to go with 2. I think there's a factor of that to it, but I'm the sort of player who can't really sit still and that's a much bigger factor. In this game, specs weren't really much of a factor to me, to the point where I think I went 6 rounds without updating my confessional at one point. I didn't do this because I wanted to shake things up, I genuinely did it with a strategy for the endgame in mind. But on top of that, I probably went for that strategy because I don't like sitting back and not doing anything.
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Post by Prince Naveen on Oct 5, 2019 7:11:34 GMT -5
Ok this is a bizarre angle to take but I'm taking it. I had more likes than any player for about 50% of the game. A lot of players paid a similar game to me admittedly. A lot of players got targetted for it. A lot of players went home for it, and Sorsha and Trebek both very easily could've been voted out for it. Yet I was never a target. I was genuinely ready to swing into action if needed at any point because I kept using chats to position myself to fight back in I needed. But I was personable enough that if people wanted to go after an easy target, I was never their choice. It's probably also worth mentioning I had a decent hand in the Zack and Cody vote. i had a 1on1 with Megara that round, and we pushed that vote through hard. The reason Megara knew the rich chat was after her was due to me telling her. That entire saga of events was largely set in motion by me passing that info on. My issue is I genuinely can't really name an instance where I had any reason to make a big move other than that. But the fact that i received so little heat all game is testament to the fact that something kept people of of me.
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Post by Prince Naveen on Oct 5, 2019 7:12:52 GMT -5
Also r.e. personality, mine is awful and I definitely wouldn't recommend engaging with it
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 5, 2019 9:37:49 GMT -5
Woah woah. I was keeping track of likes and Pixar Lamp had the most for the majority of the game from the start until I finally passed him near the end. (Mainly thanks to Air Bud lmao) I kept track not because I was vain I swear. It was primarily for potential challenge reasons.
I don't remember you having the most likes lol, when was this?
Why'd you pick the character you did? Were you ever envious of the other Prince Edward? Do you think Walt Disney was cryogenically frozen, and the movie "Frozen" was made to help cover it up?
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 5, 2019 9:52:06 GMT -5
Reep, did you forget you told me one of the codes you were using to signal people to target me? That was probably the biggest wtf for me that ticked me off at the time.
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Reepicheep
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 5, 2019 10:11:56 GMT -5
No, I knew RC knew about that one. It was just my only way to get the message across to Air Bud.
I hoped Air Bud would come online and then I could edit it out before you checked it - I figured you didn't have much reason to be checking my side of that code.
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Post by Prince Naveen on Oct 5, 2019 10:32:20 GMT -5
Woah woah. I was keeping track of likes and Pixar Lamp had the most for the majority of the game from the start until I finally passed him near the end. (Mainly thanks to Air Bud lmao) I kept track not because I was vain I swear. It was primarily for potential challenge reasons. I don't remember you having the most likes lol, when was this? Why'd you pick the character you did? Were you ever envious of the other Prince Edward? Do you think Walt Disney was cryogenically frozen, and the movie "Frozen" was made to help cover it up? I must've completely missed that lmao, this was throughout the first 6 or 7 rounds, I do remember us having p much the same number though so maybe it went back and forth more than I realised. It's a super cute movie that I really enjoy, and I'm a cocky asshole so empathise with the character. Nah, he had no sense of flair. Very old fashioned. I doubt he's ever talked to anyone with less than 3 middle names. I'm assuming this is interpreting 'Let it Go' as a message to the conspiracy theorists?
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 5, 2019 21:53:19 GMT -5
What was the power dynamic in the Ralph/Meg/Queen trio? Did this alliance play a part in getting Meg a load of money at the end? How often did you get your way with them? The three of us met very early on in the game and then touched base sporadically when we had an opportunity to purchase a chat. As such, it was mostly just a mutual understanding that we wanted to see the three of us make it to Final 8. As such, when we made our various suggestions in the vote rounds, we never brought each other up. With the limited communication of this game, all it really took to get a vote through was a whisper, and to keep someone safe, you just never brought them up. I would say that the alliance helped make get her money to the end insofar as she was never a target and didn't need to spend her money securing her safety. I was never playing for the money game, so I did not pay too close attention to who was winning which events. I wish I could give more information on this angle, but it was extremely external to my plans and gameplay. As for getting my way, here are the messages I sent to Meg and Ralph throughout the game, usually in the 99 Bottles threads: "Let's kill Darth Maul." "Let's kill Sphero." This was actually my message signaling I thought you were cool. This one was a bit more transparent with a bit more nuance. It basically reads "I know that we were considering going after Nick Wilde, but I would really like us to go after Zack and Cody at this point." This is another complex method referencing both Ralph's code and mine. It communicates that I would like us to go after Nick Wilde, and that I no longer want to target Sorsha. Additionally I am expressing interest in keeping Reepicheep around, and doubling down that I want to see Nick go. They were all in our mutual interest, sure, but this is where I expressed my opinions to Meg, who agreed with me and helped get the votes through. I can clarify if I didn't explain any of this clearly.
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 6, 2019 0:34:44 GMT -5
Naveen you say you’re a cocky asshole? Let’s hear you talk trash. Imagine the final challenge is starting and you’re staring your competition in the face, what do you say to make them quiver in their boots? Why do you have no Buzzy bucks?
Queen, I think I’m out of questions and my decision is almost made. Quick side question, why’d you target Darth Maul though? That guy was a gem and pretty active compared to some. Why do you have no Buzzy bucks?
Reep, why did you care about voting the player with the most money at the end (Trebek) when it was clear you weren’t winning with money anyway?
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 6, 2019 0:43:08 GMT -5
I genuinely can't remember why Darth Maul was a target. I think he was another face in the sea of faces that I never had a chance to meet.
As for Buzzy bucks, I'm gonna be honest that I'm a bit petty. I didn't like that Buzzy was hard to talk to in our very first challenge chat and didn't want to play his side game as a result. I was frustrated because I thought having a quiet opening chat set me up for long term failure.
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Post by Prince Naveen on Oct 6, 2019 7:26:07 GMT -5
Because I'm not an idiot and Buzzy Bucks were blatantly a way to try and gauge how strong opponents were. I was never going to fall into that trap. I actually did most of the challenges for fun, but I never posted my results. I don't need the ego boost, I know I can handle myself in single elim challenges. If I want them quivering in their boots, I don't say anything. I sneer at them, then without breaking eye contact, stick my tongue out to catch a fly. Darth Maul was targeted because people thought he was poorly connected and a challenge threat by the way.
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Reepicheep
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 6, 2019 8:23:01 GMT -5
Reep, why did you care about voting the player with the most money at the end (Trebek) when it was clear you weren’t winning with money anyway? For one, I knew he did not have the most money in that last round. I believe Air Bud had ~$13k, which turned out to be more than all of the finalists combined. I also think Dog was actually second prior to his challenge elimination, with ~$8k, although at the time we didn't think that was enough to take one of the top spots.
Dog and I had some discussions about this and came to the conclusion that the three spots below Air Bud were occupied by Queen and Trebek in some order (I thought Sorsha also but Dog said you'd found out how much she had and it wasn't much). Given that Queen had won two immunity challenges, I found it very hard to believe that she'd been dodging them, so in my mind it went Air Bud -> Queen -> Trebek. Even though I was wrong on that, I was still happier taking the gamble on that than voting out Bud. The biggest other challenge threat in my mind was Sorsha, and she won immunity there so that wasn't an option.
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Reepicheep
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 6, 2019 8:25:32 GMT -5
Oh, I can also answer the Maul question; afaik it originated in the Cyan Team Encryptor chat because he had claimed to have paid up on the previous challenge and Pixar Lamp didn't believe him.
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 6, 2019 10:10:45 GMT -5
Maul going was actually why I hated Zach and Cody so much and then I later learned he was trying to defend him too lol. Oops I guess picking a pure evil Sith Lord as a character was a bad move.
I put my other vote in. Thanks everyone. Final speeches might affect it if still there are particularly good or bad ones.
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