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Post by Mickey Mouse on Oct 4, 2019 20:36:41 GMT -5
Zack and Cody can use this thread to question all of the finalists.
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Post by Zack and Cody on Oct 5, 2019 2:28:58 GMT -5
Gonna start with some generic questions for most of you as most of you I wasn't close with and so I don't really know your games very well
How did you adapt your game to be different from a regular Survivor game?
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Post by Zack and Cody on Oct 5, 2019 2:32:00 GMT -5
I would also like to address reep personally
What kind of cop out opening statement is that? Whatever kind of game you had you should own it
For me I need to know what drove you to turn on the rich bitches chat, specifically why you did it so early into the jury side of things
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Post by Zack and Cody on Oct 5, 2019 2:46:01 GMT -5
I've just had a look through the other threads and so wanna add more to my question to reep
Reep, own your damn game! I want you to damn argue about it because we're all sat here because you ruined our game plan and you can't even be brave enough to say why? Shame on you
Seriously I want to hear a reason, don't just say that you're not going to bother because you don't think you'll get votes because at this point it'll piss me off if you do
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Post by Sorsha on Oct 5, 2019 6:26:46 GMT -5
So I think with games like this, it's not exactly that it's how are you going to play this where it's different from a survivor game, but rather I think you need to take certain skillsets from a well-round survivor game and apply them here.
Going into this game I knew that the amount of communication you were going to have with people was going to be severely limited and often possibly a bit random, so my plan was to kind of treat this like continual tribeswaps. Yeah you definitely have people you're tight with and you want to do a lot with, but you're with new people now, you need to talk to them and be friendly and make them like you going forward. You have to be flexible and willing to cooperate and work with these people you may not have as close bonds to.
I also did something that I wouldn't normally do in a survivor game, and that's I didn't try to make or be part of a large alliance. With a game that is as fluid as this one, where you can't always control who you get to talk to and be with, I felt it was smarter to have people I had one on one bonds with, as opposed to being tied up in some larger group that due to circumstances I may not meet up with again. I felt that I would have more freedom of choice that way.
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Reepicheep
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 5, 2019 6:33:31 GMT -5
My thought process was that I'd give my general thoughts on how my game turned out in my opening statement and answer questions about anything the Jury wanted to hear afterwards. I have been burned badly in the past by trying to throw a ton of info into my opening statement in the past - since that I've figured the better way to do it is to actually find out what the Jury want to know and answer those specifically, instead of just throwing everything at you and hoping you'll dredge through it to find those.
I don't feel that accepting that I didn't play this game right is failing to own my game, though. At the end of the day, I did a lot, and I'm not afraid to admit that - and go into detail on it if you want detail - but it didn't result in what I wanted it to, and you can't claim to own a game if you refuse to consider where it went wrong. While I was trying to write a 'summary of my game' opening statement, I realised that was really the main part that everything was either leading to or focusing on, and as an opening it would be better purely to focus on the most important point and leave the rest for the questions.
The main reason I betrayed and dismantled RC was that, although it was an easy route to F8, it was an easy route to F8 with players I didn't want to be at F8 with. I think people are far too quick to dismiss any endgame strategy with 'well, it's a team finale, so it doesn't matter how strong the other players are, I'll just tag along and they'll carry me' - that's not true, you're giving yourself a far better chance of winning if you actively aim for an endgame with players weaker in challenges than yourself. My feeling on that is that it's an excuse people were using to convince themselves to take the easiest path to the end.
Dr Doof and Pepe were the two biggest challenge threats in the game by far, in my opinion. Other people in RC weren't that far behind, either; I think the round right after you were eliminated, the top 3 teams in the case grab were the four remaining RC players + Sorsha and Air Bud. If I was at F8 with all those players, I'd both have a far worse shot at going through on the F8 challenge (although we saw how that turned out), and I'd have a far worse shot at winning the 3v3 at all.
I actually tried to feel you out on how willing you'd be to do this when I brought up Doof's name in our team chat just after RC was created, but I think I was far too subtle about it. I didn't want to outright state I wanted Doof gone in case you were all in on RC and that would backfire on me, but at the same time I felt you were the person most likely to think in the same way I was thinking (and the person I'd connected with most out of anyone in RC) - and most likely to be able to make something like that happen. That goes both ways though, I think you were the player most capable of and willing to strike back if I did something you weren't on board with, so after your response to me bringing up Doof's name was to tell RC that Doof was in danger and say that we should go after the people bringing up his name in the first place (who were my allies and the people I'd need to work with if I wanted to make this kind of move) I decided you had to go first to ensure I wouldn't be killed in the aftermath.
I can go into detail on any part of my game you want me to go into detail on - my offer to stay out of thread was for Pepe specifically because we had a conversation when he was about to go home about the jury and I couldn't see his feelings having changed from that. I still very much want to progress and if there is any way to get the votes to do so, I will do everything I can to get them.
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 5, 2019 6:46:33 GMT -5
In terms of how I played this differently from Survivor - I didn't, really, and that's probably what set me apart from most other players. I am (unsurprisingly ) pretty bad at Survivor, because I play an active, aggressive game that gets me labelled as a threat and eliminated for that reason prior to the end. In this kind of game, the activity and aggression is several times more effective purely because people want to play UTR games in this kind of game even moreso than they do in standard survivor, and the easiest way to play a UTR game is to latch onto the player throwing out names and go with what they want to do; and in addition, in this game you don't necessarily get killed for being that big of a player, because nobody else wants to step up and do the killing. That last part didn't really work in practice - I put enough of a target on my back that I had to pay off the last two rounds regardless - but it was what I came into the game thinking and what I experienced for the vast majority of the game. Very, very few players (I'm tempted to say zero?) died because of the names they threw out.
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Post by Prince Naveen on Oct 5, 2019 6:59:09 GMT -5
Gonna start with some generic questions for most of you as most of you I wasn't close with and so I don't really know your games very well How did you adapt your game to be different from a regular Survivor game? I didn't particularly, and that was a very deliberate decision. A lot of my weaknesses in Survivor turned into strengths here. In Survivor you want to be at the top without people realising it. Due to the large amount of players shying away from making plays this game, that wasn't really a feasible approach as you will get found out and you will be targeted eventually. Where I excel is making a small number of close allies that can keep me out of the spotlight. One adaption I did make was to focus on talking to as many people as possible. I'm making a comparison to tribe swaps here in terms of chats. In Survivor, you want a decent amount of player recursion on tribes so you have allies going into the new group. Here, the prevalence of codes and the fact that the entire game votes each round meant that talking to people you weren't necessarily allied with had a lot more value than sticking to your allies. All you really needed to do to push a vote was say a name in a chat, and it kind of just spread from there, whereas in Survivor if you say a name you're going for that person and that person is probably going to go for you as soon as you can, so you need to be sure of your push.
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Post by Zack and Cody on Oct 5, 2019 20:03:18 GMT -5
So here's how I see things
This is not a Survivor game, not in the slightest, due to there being 3 ways of getting to the final, trying to play a game of taking down threats is ridiculous and there's no reason to do that, mainly because there's no real way of predicting who are the real threats Money: changes so much and there's no real way of working out who has spent what Challenges: without knowing what the final challenge is, it's impossible to work out who would and wouldn't be good at it Jury: Jury's look at threats in many different ways that it's difficult to tell what they're going for, sending someone to the Jury for being a threat can make yourself less liked
So given that all of that is so unpredictable, the best way (in my opinion) to play this is to try and strengthen yourself in every area possible and hope that 1 of them succeeds
With that being said, Reep, there is absolutely no chance of me voting for you, tbh I just wanted a straight answer as to why you did what you did, I understand it but I don't agree with it, you wasted a lot of money to be in a chat would've effectively saved you a lot of money in the long run in terms of saving votes, the reason I saved Doof is because either way it was crazy stupid to target our own, okay yeah he could've taken 1 of the final spots by being good at challenges, good! I'd want him on my team in the final 6, there's other ways of getting there
Right, with that, it leaves me down to 3 players and only 2 can make it through, I'd very much like to being spicy and fun here as I don't really know a massive amount between you (I'll have a quick look through the other threads before I vote)
But who shouldn't be in the final? Like seriously, who had the worst game, I don't want to see anyone fighting for why their game was the best, I wanna see some cold-hearted drama, I wanna see a cat-fight, gimmie a show!!!!
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 5, 2019 22:11:34 GMT -5
Gonna start with some generic questions for most of you as most of you I wasn't close with and so I don't really know your games very well How did you adapt your game to be different from a regular Survivor game? Due to the fact that this was not a survivor game and I would not be competing for jury votes to close things out, I was less afraid of making the wrong alliances and needing to make #bigmoves at the appropriate time. Instead my game plan was simply to get the people that I liked to final 8 where we could fight for final spots later. Really the only reason that I felt it was necessary to go after you was because you seemed to have the single greatest concentration of power in the game and I figured it was only a matter of time before you went after me. We had not had any chance to get to know each other, so I figured I was somewhere on your killing to-do list. The sheer volume of players additionally impacted my voting decisions. Normally I anguish over who I'm supposed to go after, when I'm supposed to betray allies, all that stuff. Because there were so many people I just didn't know and because there was plenty of room for all my friends at the end, I played a game far more loyal to them than I normally would have. This game encouraged a certain style of loyalty absent from Survivor.
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 5, 2019 22:18:42 GMT -5
Right, with that, it leaves me down to 3 players and only 2 can make it through, I'd very much like to being spicy and fun here as I don't really know a massive amount between you (I'll have a quick look through the other threads before I vote) But who shouldn't be in the final? Like seriously, who had the worst game, I don't want to see anyone fighting for why their game was the best, I wanna see some cold-hearted drama, I wanna see a cat-fight, gimmie a show!!!! I can definitely try to be a saucy Queen if that's what you boys are into. Regarding Reepicheep, it is an extreme tragedy that the best boon my game received was him tanking his. I confessed wanting to go after you, and he had the chance to be loyal to that group, rat me out, and get me killed. Instead in the following chat we had, he leaked info on the Rich Bitch alliance, which was enough to get people to flip against them. While this is a gloriously large move, he is absolutely not owning it. If you are going to play a villain and sell out your friends, you need to strut that. He has said himself that his plays were not worth it, and I would be a little sour to see him advance in spite of that half-hearted speech. As for Prince Naveen, he is delightful, but his entire argument is based around the idea that because he didn't need to make any big moves, that shows him playing optimally. That is a lackluster approach when this game did indeed have an ebb and flow to it, and when other players decidedly were making plays. In the King Prawn thread I am listing out specific posts where I communicated with my alliance mates, and he is in there trying to split credit with Reepicheep for selling out the Rich Bitches and working to get you voted out. I think Naveen certainly was in very powerful circles, but he did not do much with that power to leave a lasting mark on the game.
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Post by Prince Naveen on Oct 6, 2019 7:22:37 GMT -5
I just want to say real quick that I came 3rd in both of the two other areas, and at worst i'm your 3rd choice of vote, so at least I'm consistent I could argue for Sorsha or Queen for very different reasons. Sorsha could've gone home at any point, and realistically if it hadn't been for the decision to just massacre the rich chat she would've. She's been hanging on all game mainly due to luck from other people going after other targets and figuring she can be pushed down the line.It's an underdog story, but a good underdog story needs the underdog to do the fighting and I'm not convinced she did enough of that to qualify her not just being a goat. Queen basically spent all her money paying up for challenges, and nullified votes at least once midway through the game. They played an extremely defensive and dull game. THey ran scared from most of the conflict and danger in the game rather than using it to their advantage.
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 6, 2019 9:50:04 GMT -5
I don't know if running scared is the most accurate description of what I did, considering that I specifically went after one of the more powerful players in the game.
It's also kinda a lark to have you call my name defensive and dull when you specifically said you didn't make any moves.
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 6, 2019 10:11:24 GMT -5
This is not a Survivor game, not in the slightest, due to there being 3 ways of getting to the final, trying to play a game of taking down threats is ridiculous and there's no reason to do that, mainly because there's no real way of predicting who are the real threats Money: changes so much and there's no real way of working out who has spent what Challenges: without knowing what the final challenge is, it's impossible to work out who would and wouldn't be good at it Jury: Jury's look at threats in many different ways that it's difficult to tell what they're going for, sending someone to the Jury for being a threat can make yourself less liked So given that all of that is so unpredictable, the best way (in my opinion) to play this is to try and strengthen yourself in every area possible and hope that 1 of them succeeds With that being said, Reep, there is absolutely no chance of me voting for you, tbh I just wanted a straight answer as to why you did what you did, I understand it but I don't agree with it, you wasted a lot of money to be in a chat would've effectively saved you a lot of money in the long run in terms of saving votes, the reason I saved Doof is because either way it was crazy stupid to target our own, okay yeah he could've taken 1 of the final spots by being good at challenges, good! I'd want him on my team in the final 6, there's other ways of getting there I'm going to disagree with you. You're missing that challenges take up two of the 4 slots of the finale - the F8 challenge, and the F6 - and the second part is the single most important part of the game. I agree that not going all in on one is good strategy, but I disagree that focusing on the challenge aspect is bad strategy. It didn't work out for me, but in theory it's the best approach if you're actually looking to win the game instead of just counting getting to F6 as having won. I think most other people in this game viewed getting to F6 as the ultimate objective and viewed the actual 3v3 challenge as a coinflip.
Your reasoning on challenges is, if I can be blunt (I'll assume I can since you are being quite blunt with me), a complete cop-out - in my experience, it's a pretty typical viewpoint of Mafiascum Survivor players (that challenge ability is meaningless because there are different challenges), but I've never agreed with it.
Challenges aren't something that people have to be bad at one aspect of and great at another. There are plenty of people on this site who are strong in most, if not all, challenge aspects. We had 20 challenges, plus the ones Buzzy ran, to determine how threatening each player was in terms of challenge ability and I am certain that Doof and Pepe were huge challenge threats and would have been a huge obstacle to winning this game if they made it to F6 or F8. I am fairly sure Trebek and Sorsha will also do well if they're there.
In addition, I'd bet my tail that the final challenge is a multiple component challenge with aspects from a diverse range of challenges. There is no way in hell it is just going to be one challenge based on one thing - there will be a strong advantage for players who are good at a lot of different types of challenges.
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 6, 2019 10:12:48 GMT -5
I do appreciate that you excluded me from the shit-flinging for your pleasure that you're forcing everyone else to do, though :P
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Post by Sorsha on Oct 6, 2019 19:43:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry you two, but I am not going to throw people under the bus here just for your entertainment. I'm not that kind of player and I think that the other people here played really well in their own rights and I'm not going to discredit that. They've earned the rights to be here and to take pride in their games, and to own what they've done however they wish. If that loses me your vote, so be it. This is a competition that is very true, but I'm not going to undercut my competition just to get to the end. It is ultimately up to you how you choose to vote and why, and even if I may not know everything about what everyone did, they all deserve to be here as much as I do. Thank you for the question though.
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Post by Queen of Hearts on Oct 6, 2019 20:27:03 GMT -5
We do not deserve Sorsha tbh
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