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Post by Mickey Mouse on Sept 26, 2019 23:01:33 GMT -5
Last non-finale episode :(((((
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Post by Nick Wilde on Oct 9, 2019 19:34:38 GMT -5
Speaking of confessionals, I'm really sorry that I barely touched mine all game haha Don't feel too bad—I wasn't in the habit of regularly touching mine, either.
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Post by Wreck-It-Ralph on Oct 10, 2019 18:30:06 GMT -5
honestly my vote wasn't that objective lol
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Post by Wreck-It-Ralph on Oct 10, 2019 18:30:22 GMT -5
re: Pua's big ol' essay
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 10, 2019 20:18:25 GMT -5
On second thought I retract my apology for voting Sorsha. Screw you all, I like Sorsha Go and win!
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 10, 2019 20:20:17 GMT -5
Screw you Pua, Sorsha's going to kick your ass.
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 10, 2019 20:24:26 GMT -5
I'm pissed off and I should leave before I ruin the vibe for everyone. But I have no respect for Pua and have no desire to learn who they are so I don't have huge distaste for them outside the game, so I'll be skipping on the reveal .
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 10, 2019 20:34:57 GMT -5
I will almost always vote for the ally and friend I worked with closely until the end, over someone who lied to me and made a questionable move. That's the WHOLE POINT OF A JURY. Screw you if you're upset with me for voting for her.
Just had to to get that out of my system.
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 10, 2019 20:56:39 GMT -5
You too Marvel while I'm at it. Get stabbed the way I did and have your final friend and close ally in the jury next to the person that stabbed you, and tell me who the "correct" decision is.
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Post by Mickey Mouse on Oct 10, 2019 21:39:41 GMT -5
If any of the finalists really respected the game, they would have written a song for their speech
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Post by Wreck-It-Ralph on Oct 10, 2019 22:44:48 GMT -5
Somebody once told me the jury's gonna roll me
i ain't the sharpest mouse in the shed
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Reepicheep
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 10, 2019 23:39:28 GMT -5
Man. I still love Pua and I get where it's coming from, but he reminds me of, well, me where it comes to refusing to see any flaws in his allies If I'd gotten through and Pua had been the one in front of the Jury, and the Jury had done what they did to me to him, I'd be furious. Since it's me (and I'm aware I was more directly seen as the cause) I'm a bit more able to take a step back and look at it without the smokescreen of it being a friend it's happening to. I do agree with a lot of what Pua said about Sorsha. She very deliberately didn't answer questions or, well, show up at all at FTC - I think that was because she felt that she was already going through and there was no way that talking about the game would improve her chances. That is more the jury's fault than Sorsha's (it got Sorsha through, so it was good play on her part) and I do think the jury could have actually made an effort to talk to her about the game, but at the same time I realise that a) having two votes and b) the game being more challenge-based and seen as less social makes it much more reasonable for the jury not to grill on gameplay if they liked the person enough. I am going to say I would respect the jury more if they had asked her about her game, but I don't think it's unreasonable that they didn't. Most of the rest of what he said is based on the understanding that the jury itself isn't taken into account when you're judging a game by its strength. If you discount jury management completely, it's not hard to argue that I had the strongest game of anyone, in that I didn't just get myself to F8, I got my entire alliance there and actively eliminated almost all of my biggest threats on the way - my intention was to avoid the jury altogether, and had I successfully done that, I think I could argue having played the best game of anyone. As is, I did not avoid the jury, and jury management was absolutely a factor in how the jury was supposed to judge the strongest game. Mine was awful and my attempts to overcome that in FTC were nowhere near good enough to change that. The other point I need to mention, that Nick and Bud were fairly easily swayed into going with the hivemind, I'd attribute to the fact that I went in attempting to appeal to this hivemind instead of pitching myself against it. Saying that I'd done the wrong thing just cemented what Pepe had been saying about me; if I'd counted the Doof/Pepe/Zack votes as lost from the start, and focused on the strengths of the game I played, I think I would have had a much better chance at getting the other four. I just didn't think four would be enough (I'm still fairly sure it wouldn't have been).
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Reepicheep
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 10, 2019 23:40:11 GMT -5
I'm going to go throw him a like anyway because of the effort he put into that and because he's still amazing and was all game. I just wish I could talk to him about it all already.
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 11, 2019 0:24:45 GMT -5
Pua can go on about the "correct way to vote" or "respect for the game" but he misunderstands the whole concept of a jury and why it makes the game so interesting. The game isn't about getting to the end. The game is about getting the jurors' votes at the end. (or winning challenges and having money in this game) Every juror is a human being who has different desires when giving out a vote, and it's every player's responsibility to figure out what that is on their pathway to the end. It's not hard to get to the end by constantly lying (not saying this was your game reep, it's a hypothetical), but a backstabby game isn't something people necessarily respect as good gameplay. Some people do, some people value other things. And in Survivor that's why you need to get to know the players personally to see what they'll do with their vote if given the power. I'm in the boat that considers Russel Hantz an abomination of a player even though he controlled two games. Because he was only playing to get to the end, not taking into account he was angering everyone by lying. I respect if Pua only values control of the game in a jury vote, but to say the jury disrespects the game because because we didn't vote for his ideals is him coming across super arrogant to me tbh. Again, if you don't want personal relations to affect the final vote, you can have spectators with perfect knowledge vote on who wins in the games you run (which you apparently wouldn't want to cast me for Pua.) I can't speak for all the jury, but a good chunk of us were already familiar with Sorsha's game. It wasn't rocket science what she did. I can understand from an outsider perspective that strategic games are a lot more interesting to watch than social games. Back when Aubry and Tai lost to Michelle I was kind of salty. But after playing online Survivor games I better understand. Survivor is a great game because people aren't just the same chess pieces. Any game that doesn't have a Reepicheep-like player would probably be a boring game. But I also think it would be boring to watch a game with 20 reepicheeps because it's the variety of people's agendas and personalities that make the game interesting. Even when I'm an unbiased spec I often find myself rooting for finalists who played cleaner games because it's something I respect in other people. (I don't necessarily respect my own games a lot of the time) If the stabs are next level manipulation, then I still usually root for them I'm kind of bored talking about Reep's game specifically on why his stab in this one specifically tanked his chances (although I guess I know for next time to be more of a silent jury member since posting a lot of questions, giving reasoning, and being active is kind of bad and loses all respect from people?) I'm sorry if I was harsh a few posts back Pua if you read this, but when you say things like I don't respect the game because I didn't vote the way you want to, or because I questioned Reepicheep a lot about his moves I was most confused about, it's hard not to give you a middlefinger because I never disrespect a game and always go all out on trying to win them or at least make them more interesting. And you making it sound like a sin to vote Naveen is just disrespectful imo. Naveen may have been a less than exciting player, but he still played a game worthy of at least one vote I think. It was clear Hearts was moving on anyway. If you want to talk after the game some more I'm down.
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Post by Wreck-It-Ralph on Oct 11, 2019 0:50:18 GMT -5
Honestly I have to agree with our Prawn friend on this one. A lot of Pua’s essay came off as “you don’t vote how I think you should, you bad at jurying” which is more than a little annoying to read, and I’m sure it’s really aggravating to be on the receiving end of it. And not to make it about me, but I didn’t like the undertone that I’m a completely useless juror and a bad player outside the fact I happened to vote how he wanted me to, lol.
I personally didn’t know enough about Sorshas game to really give her any kind of hardcore questioning, but surely anyone who almost sweeps the vote like that did SOMETHING right, regardless of if the jury is “bad” or not.
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Post by Dog with a Blog on Oct 11, 2019 3:20:41 GMT -5
I might have to get around to reading Pua's confessional. I assume I'm part of the cause by not putting any reasoning down with my votes.
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Post by Basketball on Oct 11, 2019 5:09:50 GMT -5
Gelling super hard with Pepe's last post tbh
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Post by Basketball on Oct 11, 2019 5:23:14 GMT -5
Like... You're starting with the premise that these are the things that make a 'competent' or 'good' jury. When really, jurors have zero obligation to care about any of these things.
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Post by Mickey Mouse on Oct 11, 2019 8:40:42 GMT -5
Also in the jury's defense, all we really said was "vote for the two players you want to see advance". Getting the jury to want you to advance is the only thing that matters.
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Edna Mode
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Post by Edna Mode on Oct 11, 2019 14:10:39 GMT -5
Mouseboy is correct. This wasn't a "vote this person to win" it's "vote who you want to see get to the end" to that end it's not like a typical jury voting situation which is why Edna had no problem with this particular scenario. If this was a vote to determine a winner, then Edna might feel differently.
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Post by Dr. Doofenshmirtz on Oct 11, 2019 15:14:22 GMT -5
The only wrong way to vote as a juror is to vote randomly (or functionally randomly)
The only decision a jury can ever make is a correct one, barring extreme outside interference or a number of flawed jurors
Thanks for coming to my TEDx Talk
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Post by Dr. Doofenshmirtz on Oct 11, 2019 15:19:40 GMT -5
And actually, to expand a bit on my vote before I fuck off: I do not think Sorsha had the best gameplay of any subset of players (I have read no confessionals and I won't). But I at least know what her game was, because she talked to me and we had a relationship, probably my closest one in the game.
I never spoke to Pua or Naveen, because they never made the effort with me. I'm not even sure if I was in a chat with either of them at any point. Why the fuck would I vote for them? To me, they were non-entities. I may not think Sorsha's game was great, or better than mine, but I at least know who she is and what she was doing, even if it wasn't perfect. I can't tell you a thing about Naveen or Pua.
If we replace Naveen & Pua in the finals with, say, Z&C and Pepe, then my vote gets harder, because there's a number of people there who I worked closely with and liked. And maybe I get swayed not to vote for Sorsha because, in the end, as much as I like her I respect others' games more. But that's not the scenario, that's not what happened, let's live in reality.
My votes were the same as they would've been had I been voting outright for a winner and I stand by them. Anybody who doesn't like them can kick rocks.
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Post by Mickey Mouse on Oct 11, 2019 17:47:40 GMT -5
I just love Pua dragging me onto his team because he "wanted to work with his allies" and then fucking up in the challenge. Thanks. If I had gotten to be with Queen and Megara, I would be on the winning team. It wouldn't have helped Pua much, but at least one of us would be a winner. jesus
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Episode 11
Oct 11, 2019 18:39:07 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 11, 2019 18:39:07 GMT -5
My desire for the women to win grows even stronger :P
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Reepicheep
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Post by Reepicheep on Oct 11, 2019 18:57:09 GMT -5
I have lost whatever Edward stanning I had left in me. I still want Pua to win but I now won't be as upset if he doesn't because it means Ed won't either.
Pua has won my heart for the millionth time by noticing my status update after I was dead.
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Captain Marvel
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Post by Captain Marvel on Oct 11, 2019 19:35:23 GMT -5
You too Marvel while I'm at it. Get stabbed the way I did and have your final friend and close ally in the jury next to the person that stabbed you, and tell me who the "correct" decision is. lol somebody's salty
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 11, 2019 20:12:20 GMT -5
Only to you and Pua I retract nothing.
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Captain Marvel
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Post by Captain Marvel on Oct 11, 2019 23:25:35 GMT -5
Only to you and Pua I retract nothing. Retract nothing? Haha yeah... you definitely haven't edited 90% of your rants
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Post by Pepé the King Prawn on Oct 12, 2019 0:17:25 GMT -5
The one about you was a probably a grammar mistake considering it was 2 minutes later.
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Edna Mode
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You all annoy me.
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Post by Edna Mode on Oct 12, 2019 2:15:25 GMT -5
I just love Pua dragging me onto his team because he "wanted to work with his allies" and then fucking up in the challenge. Thanks. If I had gotten to be with Queen and Megara, I would be on the winning team. It wouldn't have helped Pua much, but at least one of us would be a winner. jesus What Edna doesn't get about this is they basically scored the same and it came down to mere seconds for who took round 1. This logic is flawed and Edward needs to stop being a pissy sore loser about it.
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Post by Mickey Mouse on Oct 12, 2019 11:41:24 GMT -5
I'm definitely predicting a Navy Team win on part 2
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