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Post by Pua on Oct 1, 2019 22:10:21 GMT -5
Ahhhhh I'm so happy I made it!! I ended up getting Dog and Bud out anyway, so that worked out great! Wish Nick was still around, but eh you can't always get your way. And hopefully he'll have some bias towards voting me if I have to face the jury (which I'd probably have to considering my challenge performance is lackluster). No need for relationship charts or anything of that sort!
Alex got the top money slot, which was unsurprising, but apparently Megara actually got the next most cash, which may or may not be a good thing? I mean I'm happy she made it, but that means it's going to be Queen, Cheep, and Sorsha vying for the top elimination slots, and I'm a bit nervous about that!
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Post by Pua on Oct 5, 2019 22:09:14 GMT -5
This is not a Survivor game, not in the slightest, due to there being 3 ways of getting to the final, trying to play a game of taking down threats is ridiculous and there's no reason to do that, mainly because there's no real way of predicting who are the real threats This reasoning itself is ridiculous. I mean sure, if you save up a lot of money then you don't have to take out threats (or at least jury threats), but otherwise it only makes sense to play as if you're vying for jury, and if you're doing that you have to take out the players with the best shot at that slot. And it's not exactly rocket science to determine that players like Alex/Naveen would be easy to beat and players like Z&C/Pepe would be harder to beat in FTC. If Cheep did stick with the Rich Chat and end up with an F4 of say him/Z&C/Pepe/Doof, would he really have a better shot at winning? Of course not, especially sine Z&C and Pepe were the leading forces behind a lot of the Rich Chat schemes, Z&C especially, and Doof's played a sick social game. Even swapping out Doof or even Z&C for Dog wouldn't be that great for Cheep, but since the target has been on big threats for most of the jury-phase it's allowed players with weaker games like Naveen slip through to F4, and obviously that makes it easier for everyone else to win the jury slot. Sure, there's a bit of nuance to who's actually a threat -- Air Bud wasn't actually that strong of a vote since he was guaranteed the cash slot, so it only helped those aiming for that slot -- but just because there's a few extra mechanics doesn't mean the basic fundamentals of Survivor go flying out the window. The only angle I can kind of see is that you'll probably want to make it to the end with people you like since you'll have to win with them, but that wasn't really case with Cheep and the Rich Chat, soooooo yeah... I guess that rules out Z&C, but Dog seems at least a bit more keen to vote Cheep so there's that. There's still some hope that Cheep pulls through, but I can't read Nick's/Ralph's/Bud's mind so it's a bit of a tossup.
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Post by Pua on Oct 5, 2019 22:17:19 GMT -5
Hello Doctor Doofenschmirtz. My ideal final six would involve myself and Sorsha moving on. I would prefer to see the division of teams go something like: Meg/Myself/Prince Edward against Pua/Sorsha/Alex Trebek Hahahahahahahaha, no. At least give me Edward!!
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Post by Pua on Oct 6, 2019 10:16:15 GMT -5
Sorsha could've gone home at any point, and realistically if it hadn't been for the decision to just massacre the rich chat she would've. She's been hanging on all game mainly due to luck from other people going after other targets and figuring she can be pushed down the line.It's an underdog story, but a good underdog story needs the underdog to do the fighting and I'm not convinced she did enough of that to qualify her not just being a goat. Jfc. FINALLY someone criticizes Sorsha, and it's Naveen of all people! The fact that it took halfway through questioning for someone who's not even a juror to bring up this very obvious flaw of Sorsha's game frankly goes to show how lackluster this jury is.
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Post by Pua on Oct 6, 2019 10:51:33 GMT -5
Ngl I thought Cheep might've given up since he didn't log on for like 11+ hours, but he's really stepping up his case. His opening speech wasn't great though I understand why he went through with it, though even I doubted that Nick or Ralph would campaign for anyone in jury given how much of a nonpresence they were. If Cheep keeps this up and gives a really good closing speech he might just be able to turn this around. I'm rooting for you, Cheep!!!
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Post by Captain Marvel on Oct 6, 2019 11:32:16 GMT -5
Questions cause I'm bored:
1. On a scale of 0 to 10, how upset with the jury are you rn? 2. Who did you least want to be on a team with for this finale? 3. What's your best memory from this game? 4. What's your favorite song right now? 5. What are you going to do with your life once this game ends? 6. What should I do with my life once this game ends?
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Post by Captain Marvel on Oct 6, 2019 11:33:22 GMT -5
Oh another one 7. If you were on the jury right now, who would you vote for? 8. If you were on the jury right now how salty would you be on a scale of Ralph to Pepe?
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Post by Pua on Oct 6, 2019 18:37:15 GMT -5
This is probably the closest we'll get to any real criticism of Sorsha from a juror! It's actually absurd how many questions Sorsha still hasn't answered...
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Post by Pua on Oct 6, 2019 18:38:52 GMT -5
Also, I really love that my 99 bottle thread is picking back up again! I was gonna do it during the actual match-up, but might as well finish it now!
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Post by Pua on Oct 6, 2019 20:28:09 GMT -5
1. Based solely on questioning, I'd say 7. Most of the jury wasn't interested in asking the jurors specific questions about their game, opting for generic, blanket questions instead, and the ones that did showed very evident biases. Cheep was criticized for every little thing he did -- from his underwhelming opening speech to his reluctance to own his game and his hyper focus on taking the challenge slot -- and a lot of this criticism was well deserved. But Sorsha deserved plenty of criticism as well -- from her lack of agency leading to her allies being picked off one by one to the fact it took Cheep flipping the vote to save her game -- and yet not once during this entire 48-hour long session did Sorsha get asked a single question about her game specifically. Cheep was asked plenty of questions about why he targeted certain players, but why wasn't Sorsha ever asked why she just went with the flow and never made any moves of her own? Sure, Sorsha's friends with a lot of jury, but that doesn't mean she should slip through FTC squeaky clean, especially when the difference between her game and Cheep/Queen is so glaring. It's arguable that she didn't even play much better than Naveen, yet he was grilled by plenty of the jury. Sorsha certainly didn't play a bad game, and even played better than some of the jurors, but in no way is it so good that it warrants no discussion or inquisition from the rest of the jury. One half of this jury came off as disinterested and the other half as way too emotional, and that really worries me going into voting.
2. Probably Alex and Sorsha, mostly because I have the weakest personal bonds with them. Alex is fairly inactive, but on a challenge aspect they're both fairly competent from what I've gathered, so it wouldn't be a weak team challenge wise, but I'd like to win with at least one player I was semi-close to.
3. Everything from the Z&C vote-off to the Pepe vote-off. I really stepped up my game during those two layoffs. Sometimes in past Survivor games I'd set out to do something but completely flop in execution or just chicken out of it, but I really put in the work in making that Pepe vote happen. I had a vision at the start of the layoff and pulled it off without a hitch, and I'm glad I managed to have a significant hand in such an important move.
4. I've been thinking about "Make Me Like You" from Gwen Stefani a lot, especially since it plays from time to time at my work. It's such a cute little bop and insanely catchy, and it's near criminal it never took off.
5. I don't know, really. I had a whole day off yesterday and I feel I just wasted it since I was so used to checking this forum a lot on my downtime. I'm probably going to kick back and relax for a bit, get to some movies and books that I've been putting aside, actually get to watching the latest season of Survivor.
6. I don't know, become a professional question asker? Maybe like a reporter or something. You'll be great at that, considering how much I've enjoyed your questions!
7. Cheep is obviously a lock for me, both because of my close bond with him and his absolutely marvelous gameplay. My last vote would be between Queen and Sorsha, with me heavily favoring Queen. I'd have to ask Sorsha some serious questions about her game (and get some good answers in return) in order for me to consider voting for her, because my biggest gripe of her game is that she didn't do a whole lot in terms of steering the vote or actively shifting the target away from her, and I'd need her to demonstrate what exactly she did gameplay wise to ensure she got to the end by her own merits.
8. It depends on how I go out! Honestly, I'd mostly be salty at myself, because it'll be entirely my fault that I went. The worst that can happen is like Cheep completely blindsiding me and cutting me off, which'll definitely be annoying and dumb but as long as he explained himself well enough I'd still vote for him. Cheep'll have to actually go out of his way to insult or demean me to lose my vote, or completely bomb the entire FTC. So I'd say probably Ralph.
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Post by Pua on Oct 6, 2019 20:41:56 GMT -5
I'm a bit peeved that Queen and Megara cheated in the 99 bottle thread!! It feels a bit less deserved now, tbh...
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Post by Pua on Oct 6, 2019 20:48:14 GMT -5
I'm really surprised there wasn't a 24 hour extension for the Closing Statements after the jury questioning. I thought that was usually the norm? I hope Cheep not having a Closing Statement was intentional...
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Post by Mickey Mouse on Oct 6, 2019 20:59:17 GMT -5
I'm really surprised there wasn't a 24 hour extension for the Closing Statements after the jury questioning. I thought that was usually the norm? I hope Cheep not having a Closing Statement was intentional... Clearly you didn't read my post either!!
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Post by Pua on Oct 7, 2019 9:41:42 GMT -5
I'm not entirely impressed by any of the Closing Statements, though tbh Queen trash-talking her competition in her closing speech really rubbed me the wrong way. I also find it a bit icky how she continues to undermine Cheep's game yet giving Sorsha heaps of praise for doing what, exactly? It reeks of the same biases the jury holds, and I'm disappointed that game can't respect game. It's very obvious she's doing this, at least in some part, for a matchup of me/Sorsha/Alex and Queen/Ed/Megara, which from her perspective seems like a full sweep, and while it's probably a good game move on her part, it's caused me to lose a fair bit of respect from her, and the fact she's pushing someone through that she plans to fight against is especially irksome. If I were on jury it might be the breaking point for me to vote Sorsha over Queen, but obviously I'd want Sorsha to respond to some of the criticisms I have of her first. My rough estimate regarding how each juror's going to vote, in order...
Zack and Cody - Queen is probably a lock for sure, and I guess he also votes Sorsha cus she's nice and stuff, I don't know. There's a slim chance he might re-evaluate and vote Cheep, but I'm not counting on it.
Dr. Doof - Sorsha for sure, and then I guess Queen. I can't gauge at all how upset Doof is with Cheep or if he thinks his betrayal of the Rich Chat was justified, so I could see him voting for Cheep too potentially.
Pepe the King Prawn - Sorsha and Queen, practically guaranteed. Pepe kind of reminds me of like that old grandpa in movies that always chastises their kids and demeans them throughout, but by the end they acknowledge whatever good thing they do and finally give them the praise they were looking for all this time, and from that angle I could see Pepe ~maybe~ coming around and voting Cheep, but honestly I think it's more likely he goes full bitter and votes Sorsha and Naveen, lol.
Wreck it Ralph - Queen for sure, and the second is probably Cheep. I don't see a strong reason why he'd be compelled to vote Sorsha, but if he does it's certainly in place of Cheep.
Nick Wilde - Cheep is probably the most likely, and I'd say Queen is next despite her being a driving force behind his elimination. Nick doesn't really strike me as a bitter juror, though if he was I guess he'd probably vote for Sorsha instead of Queen.
Dog with a Blog - Sorsha is fairly likely, and then I'd say maybe Cheep? I think at the end of the day he'll come around on Cheep and vote for him. I could definitely see him voting for Queen instead of Sorsha based on the game Queen's played as well.
Air Bud - Cheep and Queen? I don't really see why he'd vote for Sorsha in particular, but if he does I feel it'll be over Queen.
So based on my estimates, the total will be... Sorsha - 4 Cheep - 4 Queen - 6
...which would be game over for Cheep, since Sorsha has just a bit more money than Cheep. Dog either needs to vote both Cheep and Queen, or Doof needs to vote Cheep instead of Queen, which I don't think is that likely? Or just someone needs to flip. Actually I think Bud might vote Sorsha since they were a bit close, so yeah that just makes things even worse. There's a chance Cheep can still push through, but things are looking fairly bleak for him. In his defense, this is the worst jury I've ever seen in my limited experience with LSGs, and Cheep was never going to win over like Z&C or Pepe's vote anyhow, so if he does make it that'll be extra impressive on his part. Fingers crossed that I see Cheep in the finale!!!
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Post by Pua on Oct 7, 2019 20:45:32 GMT -5
It's posted!!! I'm really excited/scared to find out who's going through... Hopefully Cheep's one of them!!!
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Post by Pua on Oct 7, 2019 20:51:17 GMT -5
Sorsha gets 6 votes somehow, lol. Queen has one vote so far. I really don't think Cheep's going to push through!
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Post by Pua on Oct 7, 2019 20:54:18 GMT -5
3 votes Queen, 1 vote Cheep. I'd really like to be surprised here, but I just know Cheep isn't going to make it through...
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Post by Pua on Oct 7, 2019 20:58:53 GMT -5
6 people voted for Queen/Sorsha. One person voted for Cheep/Sorsha. Wow, just wow. I don't even know what to say to that, really. I'd really love to see each juror's reasoning, because that's just mind boggling.
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Post by Pua on Oct 7, 2019 21:00:09 GMT -5
Like I get it, Cheep didn't have the best speeches, but like... Really? 6 people voted for Queen/Sorsha over Queen/Cheep??
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Post by Pua on Oct 7, 2019 22:42:27 GMT -5
Would it be possible to update the Jury Votes thread with each juror's voting statement/speech/reasoning, if they made one? I'm a very curious piggy!!
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Post by Captain Marvel on Oct 8, 2019 2:13:11 GMT -5
I figure I should ask more questions, because my time to ask questions is running out 1. Assuming you get alex/edward- how do you feel about your odds to win? 2. Okay so last night I was talking to someone and they didn't like pickles which was mind boggling to me because I didn't know you could do that, but so now I'm paranoid and wondering if you like pickles? (Our friendship may hinge on your answer to this question) 3. How can I improve my question asking on the off chance I actively spectate another game? 4. What's the best clothing item you've seen in the past month? 5. Would you like to elaborate on how upsetting that jury vote was?
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Post by Pua on Oct 8, 2019 9:16:10 GMT -5
I woke up to 11 notifications, lol. I really appreciate all the support, everyone! And Reepicheep, I appreciate you jumping straight to my confessional as soon as spectator access was granted. I really, really wished you could've been at finale with me, and no matter what you'll always be a winner in my heart. 1.I feel fairly solid, tbh. I think Edward's pitching against that team so we might not get it, but the only potential weak link is Alex, and despite him being largely inactive at time I don't actually think he performs terribly at team challenges afaik. I already regretted booting Air Bud from a personal standpoint, but now I really regret it from a game standpoint as well, because a me/Edward/Bud team would be fairly easy to lock in, but I don't think me/Edward/Alex is bad at all. 2.I don't really eat pickles, or basically anything that can be remotely considered healthy tbh. I don't like them on hamburgers, but that's the only time I've really tried them, so I'm largely indifferent to them. 3.I'd say ask more game-related questions! Fluff questions are fun, but personally I feel it's important to have a good mix between serious and non-serious questions, and a lot of your questions were too lopsided towards fluff imo. But as a whole, you were a great spectator, and any engagement is certainly better than no engagement, and I really appreciate your dedication towards being an active spectator. If you just keep doing you, you'll make a great spectator in any game, though focusing a bit harder on game-related questions would push you over the edge in my book, imo. 4.I don't shop around for clothes much and the only things I've really been doing this past month is this game and work, so I can't find a good answer to this. Though a while ago I did find this really nice light-blue hoodie that looked cute, and that was nice because I've been meaning to get a new hoodie for a while since my old one was too worn down. 5.I would love to, but I was waiting for the full jury votes to be posted first. It's a bit unfair for me to criticize a jury for why they voted for Queen/Sorsha when I can't read their explanations, plus most of them were pretty much closed-books throughout the questioning process. There's still a lot I have to say regarding jury biases and the pitiful questioning, so if the full jury votes won't be posted before the challenge starts then I'll post my thoughts regardless, but having a fuller perspective behind the jury's thoughts and reasoning would help a lot.
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Post by Pua on Oct 8, 2019 9:27:23 GMT -5
I'm a bit peeved Edward doesn't remember how much work I put into those Cash Grabs, lol.
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Post by Pua on Oct 8, 2019 22:28:46 GMT -5
Alright, so the team's officially me/Edward/Alex. I'm cool with that! I feel how well we perform depends a lot on the challenge itself, and given the actual challenge to advance in the finale was completely different from anything else we had before it, there's a decent chance we'll get something completely left-field for the finale, or maybe it could just be a mash-up of all the different challenges we had before. There's always going to be a few base skills that'll be applicable to almost any challenge we face such as good team coordination and planning, and I've been pretty good at that during the Cash Grabs, so we'll probably be reasonably prepared for anything that gets thrown my way. Tbh probably my biggest worry is finding a time we can all be together, especially since I have a pretty hectic schedule starting Thursday, but I'm sure we can figure something out.
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Post by Pua on Oct 9, 2019 11:08:38 GMT -5
Thanks for giving me my team color, Mickey. :P
Also, I guess full jury votes isn't happening so I'll be giving my closing thoughts and stuff sometime later today.
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Post by Mickey Mouse on Oct 9, 2019 11:52:53 GMT -5
Thanks for giving me my team color, Mickey. :P Also, I guess full jury votes isn't happening so I'll be giving my closing thoughts and stuff sometime later today. Sorry, I meant to post those!
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Post by Pua on Oct 9, 2019 12:18:42 GMT -5
Thanks, Mickey! Will read through them when I get home...
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Post by Pua on Oct 9, 2019 13:30:28 GMT -5
Wow, those jury votes are trash! Working on my jury analysis right now...
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Post by Pua on Oct 9, 2019 21:19:51 GMT -5
Oof, I got my team a strike, and it was a fairly easy one early on. I'm going to feel pretty bad if that cost my team the challenge... Also, I'm still working on that analysis, lol, but it's going to come out eventually!
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Post by Pua on Oct 10, 2019 16:48:35 GMT -5
I had an essay written up last night, and I was considering posting it then, but I thought it might've been too harsh, so I slept on it. This morning, I decided to rewrite it again, aiming to be more objective but still hitting my main points, and more or less came up with the same piece, which I feel is reason enough for me to go through with it. There's just certain things I can't help but address, certain jurors that highlight significant problems with the jury. I don't have anything against the jurors personally. A lot of the jurors have played solid games, most of the Rich Chat especially, and I’ve enjoyed hanging around with many of them during chats and challenges. However, they all share the blame for how abysmally this jury turned out, some more than others, and I wouldn't classify any of them as good jurors. This isn't just a matter of voting "right" or “wrong”. These jurors have failed to satisfy even the basic foundations for a competent jury, whether it's separating personal from game, acknowledging each of the finalist's flaws, or voting independently rather than on consensus. It is abundantly clear most of the jury didn't cast their ballot with the intention of voting for who truly played the best game, and most of the ones that did were largely influenced by the opinion of the ones who didn't.
Let’s start with the big elephant in the room: Cheep’s betrayal of the Rich Chat. It was a large sticking point for the Rich Chat, and I completely understand why they’d be dumbfounded by it going into FTC. And I get it, it sucks to be blindsided, especially when you had such a huge advantage in the game. But here’s the thing: What loyalty was Cheep even owed to the Rich Chat, exactly? I mean seriously, what loyalty? The Rich Chat was basically 5 random players who just happened to have enough money during Round 6 to join in on an exclusive, permanent chat. Cheep wasn’t even that close to any of them, and already had other alliances and bonds in me, Edward, Megara, and Naveen, at the very least. It didn’t help that they nominated Air Bud as their “sixth” out of the blue, or that they tried to trick everyone with the Kickstarter and plant lies to turn everyone against each other the very next phase, or that most of them were competitive beasts who’d slay him during the final challenges. The Rich Chat’s own actions had a lot to do with why Cheep ultimately turned on them, and they failed to take into account that not everyone would be on board with their tactics. Cheep likely would’ve turned on them regardless, but the Rich Chat certainly isn’t blameless here.
So, the big question is this: Was Cheep’s betrayal of the Rich Chat necessary for his game? Yes, both on a personal note (getting his allies closer to the end) and on a strategic note (allowing him a better shot at the challenge slot and an easier finale matchup). And did he answer this succinctly? I mean, he was way too critical of himself in his opening speech and it didn’t seem like he had much reason at all for doing anything at first, but by the end of FTC it was clear he had many legitimate reasons for blindsiding the Rich Chat. And yet not one Rich Chat member flipped their vote, which shows a disturbing issue: they didn’t care why they were blindsided, but that they were blindsided, and being bitter to that extreme is unreasonable and petty. Z&C clearly still does not understand how this game works, despite how much he insists he does. It makes no sense why Cheep would want to take big challenge threats to the finale if he’s not going to team up with them, and Cheep’s said numerous, numerous times that he had other allies he placed above the Rich Chat, most of which were formed early on in the game. It just goes to show how little he actually payed attention to what Cheep wrote. And as far as Pepe goes, I’ve lost any ounce of respect I still had left for him as a juror. It’s clear he had no intention of ever voting Cheep, which to be fair he did state upfront, but he also had zero intention of even voting objectively, The fact he nearly voted Naveen over Queen shows a disgusting lack of regard for the game, which is made even worse when considering how much influence he had over the jury, and is far and away the worst juror of the bunch.
Most of the jury were apart of the Rich Chat, but there also were a few outsiders in Nick/Ralph/Bud, all of whom could’ve provided a much needed perspective regarding the finalists. Instead, with the exception of Ralph, for some inexplicable reason, they let the Rich Chat’s bitterness affect their own personal decision, and no better is this exemplified than Nick’s jury vote. He starts off by saying he initially had no negative of opinion of Cheep, but upon entering jury, “saw the effects of what Reep’s strategy did very clearly”. What effects, being blindsided? You’re really upset about Cheep playing the game and blindsiding other players? Like, what the hell am I actually missing? Did Cheep curse out everyone on their way out the door? Did he demean them and made them feel worthless? What was so bad about that blindside that it effected his decision so drastically?? The whole point of jury is to vote for who you want to see move on. Basing your decision based on how others feel about a certain finalist defeats the entire purpose of jury. It’s also rich how Nick said Cheep’s appeals to the Rich Chat were “too little, too late”. First of all, that’s actually none of his concern, and second of all, how was Cheep supposed to appeal to them before FTC, exactly? Air Bud didn’t say much, but it’s also evident he was influenced by this hive mind. Getting far “w/o stepping on too many toes” doesn’t necessarily mean you played a great game, and in many cases is actually a sign you played a bad one, and it’s clearly in reference to Cheep betraying the Rich Chat. Basing your vote on jury consensus or how other fellow jury members personally feel about the finalists is illogical and only ensures no additional perspectives are heard during FTC, which is especially problematic with a jury this emotional and dishonest, and it’s a shame because I felt their votes would’ve been very different if they didn’t let others get into their head.
Coupled with the jury’s irrational hatred of Cheep was their bizarre endorsement of Sorsha. Now, let me make a disclaimer that I don’t mean to drag down Sorsha. I have nothing against her, and she knew the pitch she had to make to jury and pulled it off well, so kudos to her for making it to finale. However, there were numerous flaws with her game that needed to be addressed. She was a target for most of the game, and it’s clear it was her being perceived as a weak-link rather than a threat. Getting to the end of the game while amassing so many votes is admirable, and to her credit she did make attempts to shift the vote away from her, such as increasing her presence in the public threads and buying more vote chats. However, as a whole, she wasn’t very proactive in shifting the target off of her. Most notably, she likely would’ve been the first juror had Cheep not flipped the vote, and that’s a major knock against her game. If she hadn’t won the final elimination challenge, she very easily could’ve been voted off instead of Bud as well. She demonstrated little to no agency during the game, which not only nearly got her voted out but ensured her closest allies would be voted off one by one. She was nice, and in some aspects she did have a compelling underdog narrative, but other than that there wasn’t much to her game.
A competent jury would bring up these very obvious flaws of Sorsha’s game and give her a chance to explain her game more or wave off their concerns. But did the jury bring up any of these concerns? In fact, did any juror even ask one question directly to Sorsha about her game, that wasn’t about why she chose her avatar or whatever? Nope! The entire jury handled Sorsha with kiddie gloves. Not once was she forced to explain any component of her game, despite piling Cheep with question upon question nitpicking each and every little flaw of his. And yet, looking through the jury votes and threads, the jurors have heaps of praise for Sorsha’s game. She proved she was a “competent, strategic player who knew what she was doing”, “using the tools she had at her disposal”. What strategy, exactly? What tools? How can you know how she even played the game when you haven’t bothered to have her explain any of it?? Her speeches were 90% AtE, and the most game-relevant info I caught was that she decided to buy chats when she realized she was a target. Her responses weren’t exactly all that grand either. And again, kudos to Sorsha, she realized she had to capitalize on being the innocent underdog and pulled it off well, but the jury shouldn’t have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
I get it, you want to see your allies make it to the end of the game. But I have enough respect for the game to where I wouldn’t vote say Edward or Queen, or Nick over basically anyone. Even a match-up of Cheep versus Pixar would give me some pause. If Sorsha was my #1 ally instead, I wouldn’t vote her without some hard-hitting questions, because I know if I were in Cheep’s shoes and played as phenomenal a game as he did, I wouldn’t want a juror voting Sorsha over me simply because they’re closer to her, especially since the difference between their games was so drastic. Cheep played this game so well that there was no one to advocate for him in jury, because all of his allies ended up in F8 with him. It’s sad to think that Cheep’s biggest mistake might’ve been not booting me, because at least he’d have someone to break the toxic jury hive mind. This jury was so awful that actively playing against his win condition by booting his team members would’ve given him a better shot at actually making finale, and there’s no excuse for that line of thinking to even be plausible.
I’m confident in saying this was by far the worst jury I’ve ever seen in any LSG. I mean, that’s mostly because I haven’t played in or read many LSGs to begin with, and I’m sure there are worse juries, but I’m genuinely curious to see what a jury even worse than this would look like. Right off the bat, the jury Ponderosa is likely already a circus, especially judging by what Nick wrote in his jury vote, and they were probably inclined to vote Queen/Sorsha from the get go. Then we get to the “questioning”, in which half of the jurors give really bland, generic questions and doesn’t reveal much insight at all, while the other half is busy blowing each and every little flaw of Cheep’s game completely out of proportion while conveniently ignoring any and all flaws Sorsha has. And when we get to the actual voting, no one can provide a plausible reason for not voting Cheep. Z&C had no idea how this game worked, Doof just didn’t give a shit, Pepe was irrationally bitter, Nick just followed the hive mind, Dog was considering voting Cheep but didn’t for who knows what, and Air Bud was just a less blunt Nick. Even Ralph wasn’t a good juror, considering his questions were pointless and he didn’t even read outside his thread, but at least he was the most objective one. By far the best juror had to be Prince Naveen for being the only player to provide much needed criticism about Sorsha’s game, which is pathetic first of all considering he’s not even a juror, but also makes the jury look like even bigger fools for not following up on it and just brushing it aside.
It just sucks, really. It sucks knowing that no matter how much Cheep pleaded and begged he was never going to sway over the jury. It sucks that the only few jurors who could’ve provided a better prospective on Cheep’s game decided to stick to the status quo instead. And it sucks that what was supposed to be an objective measure of who played the best game instead turned into a popularity contest of who sucked up to the Rich Chat the most and who blindsided the least. Bitterness shouldn’t have impacted the jury this much. Personal connections shouldn’t have swayed the jury this much. Signing up for an LSG, in my opinion, is a two-way commitment: one, to try your hardest to play the very best game you can, and two, to respect others who tried their hardest to play the very best they could. Judging if someone played their best is near impossible, but judging who respected the game the most is a lot easier, especially with a jury this blunt. If I were casting for an LSG, I’d pick Ralph over Pepe in a heartbeat, because I value someone who doesn’t play the best game but can appreciate a great game over someone who plays fantastically but can’t give credit to those that outplayed them. I believe voting Cheep was the correct decision, but regardless of whether I'm "right" or "wrong", there’s a lot this jury could’ve done to be more objective and engaged, and I hope they recognize that and take it into consideration moving forward.
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Edna Mode
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You all annoy me.
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Post by Edna Mode on Oct 10, 2019 23:04:41 GMT -5
But the real story here was how amazingly helpful Edna's therapy sessions were to the story yes?
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